Pete and I were very recently talking about phase noise in the Si5351 as compared to the Si570. Pete e-mailed Si labs and got their phase noise data on the Si5351. See above.
I did some googling and found a similar graph for the Si570. Here it is:
Sure, the Si570 has a bit less phase noise. But with both devices, this noise is so low that it doesn’t cause trouble in our rigs. No trouble on receive and no trouble on transmit.
At 10 kHz from the carrier, the Si570 phase noise is -132dbc/Hz. At 10kHz the Si5351 is -112 dbc/Hz at 1kHz from the desired freq, the 570 is at -122 dbc/Hz and the Si5351 is at -105 dbc/Hz
I have the Si5351 in my BITX 40 DIGI-TIA and I have tried very hard to hear the “noise around a strong signal” that people warn about. I can’t hear it. If a tree falls in the woods and no one hears it…. I’m sure my neighbor is making some noise in his basement right now. But I can’t hear it, so, should I complain?
As for the transmit signal, I get no complaints, even from the most cranky and gleefully critical SDR-equipped appliance ops on 40 meters (believe me, they don’t hold back!). EMRFD notes that on transmit, in the output from the final, the phase noise output will have the same relationship to the desired signal as it has to the desired oscillator signal. If we are talking about noise that is 100 db down, with a 100 watt rig, the phase noise would be at .00000001 watt/Hz. I realize that is noise PER HERTZ. But even if we assume a 2500 Hz bandwidth, how much TOTAL noise power is that? Multiply by 2500: .000025 watts right? (Check my math — I majored in International Studies!) 25 microwatts! Even my critics on 40 can’t hear that. And the phase noise figures for both the Si570 and the Si5351 are a lot better than -100 db.
The Si5351 offers us a BIG advantage: That second oscillator for the BFO. This is huge. And the thing is so cheap. Cheap is good!
How about some side by side comparisons? Maybe someone in the BITX or Minima community could try a rig with an SI570, then substitute an Si5351. See if they notice a difference on transmit or receive. I don’t think they will.
What do you think of my logic and math?
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