{"id":4312,"date":"2018-02-19T12:17:00","date_gmt":"2018-02-19T01:17:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.homebrewradio.us\/blog\/2018\/02\/19\/a-wonderful-troubleshooting-story-thailand-mixers-a-simpson-260-microwaves-and-some-black-tape\/"},"modified":"2025-07-21T16:55:14","modified_gmt":"2025-07-21T06:55:14","slug":"a-wonderful-troubleshooting-story-thailand-mixers-a-simpson-260-microwaves-and-some-black-tape","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.homebrewradio.us\/blog\/2018\/02\/19\/a-wonderful-troubleshooting-story-thailand-mixers-a-simpson-260-microwaves-and-some-black-tape\/","title":{"rendered":"A Wonderful Troubleshooting Story &#8212; Thailand, Mixers, a Simpson 260, Microwaves, and some Black Tape"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both; text-align: center;\"> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.homebrewradio.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/02\/Korat_MRC98.jpg\" imageanchor=\"1\" style=\"margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" border=\"0\" data-original-height=\"784\" data-original-width=\"1200\" height=\"261\" src=\"https:\/\/www.homebrewradio.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/02\/Korat_MRC98.jpg\" width=\"400\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNoSpacing\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNoSpacing\"> <b><i>My old friend was really fortunate to have had such a good Staff Sergeant instructor at Signal School, someone for whom the mixer trig was obviously not enough. And our old friend obviously also benefitted greatly from having had a dad who set him up with a Simpson 260 and some handmade experimental glass diodes. Wow. It all came together with some black tape in Thailand&#8230; <\/i><\/b><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNoSpacing\"> <b><br \/><\/b><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNoSpacing\">\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"> Bill,<\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"><\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"> Enjoyed your latest blog. I remember your asking about mixers years <\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"> ago. I received much the same explanation from a Staff Sergeant <\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"> instructor at Ft. Monmouth in 1967. His example was a mixer with <\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"> diodes, noting the need to have them forward biased by the LO supply. <\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"> We worked out much the same waveforms as shown in your Blog and <\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"> the concept became part of my &#8216;intuitive&#8217; knowledge.<\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"><\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"> A few years later I was fighting 120hz hum on the baseband of an IWCS <\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"> microwave system feeding USAF command at the Korat Air Base in<\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"> Thailand. The hum was pretty high level and causing inter-modulation <\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"> problems on the 60 channels of signal sideband suppressed carrier <\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"> being applied to the microwave system.<\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"><\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"> We ended up with a couple of DCA DoD employees being flown in to help, <\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"> to their credit they were prior service and darn good at what they did. <\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"> After three days of testing all parts of the microwave system with a <\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"> very long distance and long duration phone call to the manufacture in <\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"> Calif, they still had not found the trouble.<\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"><\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"> I had stayed working with the DCA guys all of the time, during the <\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"> testing I noted the hum seem to lessen in strength with someone standing <\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"> directly behind the radio bay.<\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"><\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"> I went around to the back and took a close look, Yep! the mixer diodes <\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"> for the baseband order-wire were glass and exposed.<\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"><\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"> Put a length of black tape over them and the hum went away. Not the <\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"> power supply problem everyone was fixated on, it was diode photo <\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"> sensitivity. I guess we could have just turned off the florescent <\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"> lights too. <smile><br \/><\/smile><\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"><\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"> When I was 10 years old my father showed me how to use a Simpson<\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"> 260 to check diodes and early transistors*. We were on the floor of the <\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"> living room with sunlight streaming in. I saw the forward resistance change<\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"> a lot when the glass diode was in sun light vs shade. It was this memory <\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"> that prompted me to try the black tape.<\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"><\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"> All the MW systems in SEA later received a MWO to change out the <\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"> order-wire board and I found that the assembly was a non-standard part <\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"> of the microwave system just for military use. Civilian deployment of <\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"> that microwave system had no need for the order-wire.<\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"><\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"> Thanks for the quick trip, for me anyway, down memory lane and the <\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"> memory of being an electronics tech hero for all of two minutes. The DCA <\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"background-color: white; color: #26282a; font-family: \"Helvetica Neue\", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;\"> guys made me buy the first round at the club. <smile><\/smile><\/div>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNoSpacing\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNoSpacing\"> 73 from an old friend&#8230;.<o:p><\/o:p><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>My old friend was really fortunate to have had such a good Staff Sergeant instructor at Signal School, someone for whom the mixer trig was obviously not enough. 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