{"id":10781,"date":"2012-09-26T09:12:00","date_gmt":"2012-09-25T23:12:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.homebrewradio.us\/blog\/2012\/09\/26\/ssb-generation-ideas-from-around-the-world\/"},"modified":"2025-07-22T05:06:25","modified_gmt":"2025-07-21T19:06:25","slug":"ssb-generation-ideas-from-around-the-world","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.homebrewradio.us\/blog\/2012\/09\/26\/ssb-generation-ideas-from-around-the-world\/","title":{"rendered":"SSB Generation:  Ideas from Around the World"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both; text-align: center;\"> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.homebrewradio.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/09\/SSBGENERATION.jpg\" imageanchor=\"1\" style=\"margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;\"><img decoding=\"async\" border=\"0\" src=\"https:\/\/www.homebrewradio.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/09\/SSBGENERATION.jpg\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<p> <span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\"><br \/><\/span> <span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\"><b>I liked this thread on the EMRFD mailing list. The question of how best to generate SSB is very interesting, and I also liked the global scope of the Q&#038;A: Peter in Hungary asks the question, Farhan in India and Allison in the U.S. respond. <\/b><\/span><br \/> <span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\"><b><br \/><\/b><\/span> <b><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\"> On 9\/25\/12, ha5rxz <ha5rxz> wrote:<\/ha5rxz><\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">When generating an SSB signal from audio and a 9 MHz carrier which would be<\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">the best mixer to use?<\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">a) A high-level ring bridge mixer such as the SRA-1H<\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">b) An H-Mode mixer using an FST3125 chip<\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">c) An H-Mode mixer using a 74HC4016<\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">d) Something else<\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">Note that this mixer will not be used to demodulate.<\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">Peter HA5RXZ<\/span><\/b><br \/> <span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\"><b>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..<\/b><\/span><br \/> <b><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">Ashhar Farhan <farhanbox> wrote:<\/farhanbox><\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">In my experience, if you keep the audio level low enough, it is<\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">difficult to beat a simple two diode mixer.with a 10 db attenuator in<\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">the output. Having just two diodes makes balancing of reactive as well<\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">as resistive differences of the two diodes quite trivial. Schottky<\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">diodes are best.<\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">One thing, I did discover though is that the balance should be to<\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">minimize the harmonic distortion, rather than just the carrier<\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">suppression.<\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">What we are shooting for is to keep the In-band IMD down. Carrier<\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">suppression is just hygiene. So, you will want to tune in to the<\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">signal, modulating it with two tones and see it on a audio spectrum<\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">analyzer (freely downloadable from the net) and try getting the third<\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">spike down.<\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">Though the &#8216;packaged&#8217; mixers don&#8217;t give you the needed control for<\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">hi-fidelity, for trivial usage, NE602 is pretty good. Just drop it<\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">into the rig and live with what you get (which is not bad at all).<\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">The best resource is the chapter on phasing receivers and transmitters<\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">in emrfd. Rick is the guru. I hope he joins this thread.<\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\"> <\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">&#8211; Farhan<\/span><\/b><br \/> <span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\"><b>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..<\/b><\/span><br \/> <span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\"><b>FROM KB1GMX: <\/b><\/span><br \/> <span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\"><b><br \/><\/b><\/span> <b><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">I&#8217;ll weigh in..<\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">Yes, they all work. You need a provision for adjusting carrier balance on some but anything over 40db will be good.<\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">I&#8217;ve used 602\/612s, SBL-1, SBL-1H, diode rings, and even varicap<\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">diodes (there is a design using them in capacitively balanced <\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">a modulator from many years ago. They all work if the levels are correct.<\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">These days I use the sa612 for simple designs, SBL-1 with a 50ohm <\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">pot added for balance for better radios and the 4 diode ring I&#8217;ve <\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">used many times as its uncritical, needs only one untapped <\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">transformer and easy to make. Most of those are listed in the <\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">older 1975 through current handbooks and EMDRFD.<\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">If needed I can post to the files section a few designs but <\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">they are all textbook and all are capable of good results.<\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">In just about all the diode modulator cases a fairly strong <\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">carrier (5mW or more) is needed and the audio will be about <\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">10db lower for very good result. The active devices like the<\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">ca3028(and friends), SA612, MC1496 the levels for the carrier <\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">and audio must be matched accordingly for the device. You can <\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">look at the output with a scope and get a first order eyeball <\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">call on quality (no carrier and no clipping or limiting) and a<\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">receiver (any your ears) will tell you if its right.<\/span><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><br style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px; outline: none;\" \/><span style=\"background-color: white; font-family: Georgia; font-size: 13px; line-height: 15px;\">Allison<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n<p> Our book: &#8220;SolderSmoke &#8212; Global Adventures in Wireless Electronics&#8221; <a href=\"http:\/\/soldersmoke.com\/book.htm\">http:\/\/soldersmoke.com\/book.htm<\/a> Our coffee mugs, T-Shirts, bumper stickers: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cafepress.com\/SolderSmoke\">http:\/\/www.cafepress.com\/SolderSmoke<\/a> Our Book Store: <a href=\"http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/contracross-20\">http:\/\/astore.amazon.com\/contracross-20<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I liked this thread on the EMRFD mailing list. The question of how best to generate SSB is very interesting, and I also liked the global scope of the Q&#038;A: Peter in Hungary asks the question, Farhan in India and Allison in the U.S. respond. On 9\/25\/12, ha5rxz wrote:When generating an SSB signal from audio &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.homebrewradio.us\/blog\/2012\/09\/26\/ssb-generation-ideas-from-around-the-world\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;SSB Generation:  Ideas from Around the World&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":10782,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[66,189,34,23],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-10781","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-farhan","category-hungary","category-mixer-theory","category-ssb"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.homebrewradio.us\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/10781","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.homebrewradio.us\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.homebrewradio.us\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.homebrewradio.us\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.homebrewradio.us\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=10781"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/www.homebrewradio.us\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/10781\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":10783,"href":"https:\/\/www.homebrewradio.us\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/10781\/revisions\/10783"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.homebrewradio.us\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/10782"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.homebrewradio.us\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=10781"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.homebrewradio.us\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=10781"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.homebrewradio.us\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=10781"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}